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James Conroy's avatar

Good faith engagement is welcome. Never ending semantic sophistry a la RJ Ashfield - not so much...

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RJ Ashfield's avatar

This is all very interesting. And well done. Quite coherent, to a point, and has definite explanatory power. But…

Life—if by that you mean living things or that which is living—does not necessarily affirm. It does not necessarily grow. Granted, emergent properties, characteristics or qualities arise from specific combinations of different elements informed by context and the environment, internal and external.

Take consciousness, for example. We know what it is by definition, more or less, by what it isn’t. We can describe it. We can differentiate it. But we cannot fully explain it. Not even close, really…

Similarly, we can define life but it is not always sentient. It is not actually always or necessarily “agentic” as the new AI thinkers like to say… So one cannot ascribe progress to it.

Life includes decay. Entropy. Dissolution. Death. And not necessarily renewal. Reincarnation is a nice idea… with no evidence. Just like OBE/NDEs… Wish fulfillment at worst and culminating biological processes at best, based on all decent evidence.

We, as apex agglomerations of conscious physicality, are as you describe. We are good. But also, apparently, bad.

But not life, itself. And while life can indeed be good, as a subjective experience, it is not necessarily so. Relatively? Yes. Inherently? Just because some things which are alive—perhaps even all things—operate on the basis of valuing things in their environment? Moving towards or away from a stimulus, in its most basic expression of valuation. But is life good, necessarily? What if the simplest of organisms with photosensitivity move away from the light to avoid predation only to be preyed upon by whatever was in the dark? Or if moving up towards light and allowing for growth via energy conversion by photosynthesis puts the plant in the path of an ungulate hoof? Or mouth.

I look forward to your reply.

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